I’m in a blog debate this week: the ending debate. How do you like your stories to end? Make mine realistic.
A couple of weeks ago I wrote a blog post inspired by the movie Snow White and the Huntsman. My post on Twitter sparked a flurry of amicable controversy between myself and 3 fellow bloggers. Without giving anything away about the movie let’s just say this Snow White doesn’t have the fairy tale ending the Disney version does. This time there’s no blatant HEA (happily ever after), and that’s bothered people.
Movies and books that use the last few minutes or pages to tie up all the loose ends and stick a happy bow on the story Drives. Me. Insane!! Immediately I feel like I’ve wasted my time. The only caveat for me are romantic comedies. Happily Ever After is what romantic storylines are about – the guy and the girl realize they’re madly in love and their love will overcome any previous obstacles and they live happily ever after. I have enjoyed my fair share of rom coms and overlook this irritating quirk of the genre.
Romantic stories aside, I watch movies and read books to be entertained primarily – but I’m always looking for the deeper truth in everything. What can I learn about myself, about others, about the world from this story. “Fiction is the truth inside the lie.” Stephen King. Writers – always tell the truth. Granted, sometimes we have to style reality to make it palatable, make it plausible, make it entertaining – but there should always be truth inside the lie.
Sometimes love wins – and if that ending fits the story I’m happy. Faramir should have ended up with Eowyn in Lord of the Rings. I saw it coming, they were a perfect match for each other – and I got to see their relationship build and grow in a believable way.
But there had to be a different ending for Frodo. Frodo who had suffered so much, endured, but was left scarred and broken. “How do you pick up the threads of an old life? How do you go on… when in your heart you begin to understand… there is no going back? There are some things that time cannot mend… some hurts that go too deep… that have taken hold.” For anyone who’s endured the kind of spiritual, life and death struggle Frodo has – you get this. You know the kind of hurt he speaks of. He survived, but he’s not whole – can never be whole.
Beowulf had to die. How else could that epic tale have ended? Can you imagine if King Leonidas had lived? What would that happy ending have looked like? What if the 300 had not died? Would they have still been Spartans? Would you have learned what bravery looked like? What the price of honor and duty is? Would that movie have struck such a deep chord if you didn’t mourn their loss? Did you examine, in some small way, the value of a life sacrificed?
Would you have felt such a deep ache at the loss of the Mohican people if Uncas hadn’t been killed trying to save Alice? Would you have cared about Alice’s sacrifice if Uncas hadn’t died trying to save her? Did you wonder if you’d have made the same choice Alice did when she jumped from the cliff knowing that with Uncas’ death her last chance of rescue died? She faced life as a slave to a foreign people, a girl who had seemed so weak and fragile the entire movie found her courage. Did you feel a greater loss than that of a father for a lost son, but for a people forever lost?
Mystic River: “Jimmy, when was the last time you saw Dave?” Dave, Jimmy and Sean were boyhood friends, 11 years old, playing in the street when two pedophiles stopped and tricked Dave into getting into the car. They held him captive for 5 days. 25 years later Dave is a broken shell, Sean is a cop, and Jimmy’s a shark, a gangster – a wise guy. When he believes that Dave killed his oldest daughter, he takes Dave out back (refusing to believe Dave’s story) and shoots him before Sean can find the real killer. For Jimmy to have done anything else but take the law into his own hands, something the movie establishes he’s already done – would have undermined the entire story and Jimmy’s character. When was the last time you saw Dave? “It was 25 years ago going down this street in the back of that car.” Sean and Jimmy realize that they all died with Dave that day.
Bad things happen to good people. Sometimes the bad guy wins. Sometimes the victim never sees justice, only more pain. Realistic endings give us permission to weep, to grieve, to mourn, to find hope. I want an honest reflection of life. I want to see how others face hardship, see how it shapes them, defines them, beats them – how they overcome it. When all you ever see are happy endings I believe it gives the false perception that somehow you’re missing out if you don’t have one yourself, that you’re inadequate if you can’t make this happen for you, you’re a failure. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the majority of us feel trapped in some way, we’re sad, frustrated, angry – and feel like we must wear a ‘happy’ mask everywhere we go. Ever have a relationship you wanted to last break apart? Ever been hurt by someone else – and it seems like they continue to get ahead anyway? Does someone owe you a debt that can never be repaid? Of course. It should be OK to struggle.
Life is hard, it’s messy, it’s ugly, it’s unfair. But if it wasn’t, would we really understand the treasure to be had in joy and love? Without the bad, would we recognize the good when we saw it?
We need to give each other permission to be sad, to hurt, to be frustrated, to mourn, to be angry. Let these movies teach you how to grieve alongside someone who’s suffered a tragedy, grieve with them – help them laugh, but not take it on as your own burden to bear. Get mad, shake your fist at the injustice, cry for those who have lost everything, because it’s OK. It’s part of life. There is a time and a season for everything under the sun.
The blog debate continues all week. On Friday, all 4 of us are hosting a Twitter chat at 5pm EST on The Ending Debate. Come hang out with us at #storyend and join the discussion!
Monday – Lisa Hall-Wilson – The Ending Debate: Make Mine Realistic
Tuesday – Melinda VanLone – The Ending Debate: Make Mine Happy
Wednesday – Marcy Kennedy – The Ending Debate: Make Mine Hopeful
Thursday – Diane Capri – The Ending Debate: Make Mine Open
Friday – Twitter Debate 5pmEST #storyend
So – how do you like your stories to end? Do you like realistic endings? What story’s ending made you mad? Left you feeling cheated?
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Diane Capri says:
This is gonna be fun! Because of course, you ladies KNOW I’m right about this, don’t you? Otherwise, you wouldn’t have made me go last! You’re trying to stuff the ballot box early!!

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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
I’m interested to see how your ideal endings are different from mine.
Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
We may have to form a secret alliance or two
Ellen Grogan says:
I always want a realistic ending, no matter what, or I feel cheated.
Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Yay – 1 for Team Lisa. Bring big signs to the Twitter chat – I have a feeling we’ll be a small crowd
Marcy Kennedy says:
I get a whole blog post to make my rebuttal (even though I wrote it last week I still think I’m good to go)
This is so much fun. Can’t wait to hear what Melinda and Diane say.
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
I have to say – I feel like the underdog. I think more than half the world is instinctively Team Marcy or Team Melinda.
But I’m OK with that.
August McLaughlin says:
Ooh, I loved this post from the title—even more post-read. I saw an almost incredible movie about a cult recently. For the first three-quarters, it took my breath away, inspiring thoughts of “This is totally one of my favorite movies. Ever.” Then it turned all sci-fi fantasy. Nothing against sci fi or fantasy—both awesome genres. But to lead the audience along and then POOF, jump into another genre with a horribly unrealistic ending made me respect the writers and makers far less. If only I’d run to the restroom at the end…
Realistic endings can be off the wall, totally unrealistic by human standards if they are realistic to the plot and characters, IMO. But man. I hate feeling as though I’ve been played.
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Yeah – drives me crazy when they tie up all the loose ends by saying it was aliens, or just a dream, or worse – something completely out of their control engineered entirely by luck ‘fixes’ everything. How often does that happen? grrrr.
Tameri Etherton says:
I’m going to go with ~ I think the ending should fit the story. If it calls for a HEA, then by all means, have that. If, like in August’s example, the writers try to shove a HEA into a realistic plot, then it’s weird. Sometimes you need the hopeful ending, sometimes the realistic, gritty ending, and sometimes you want it all tied up in a nice neat bow. I just read a book yesterday that I thought had a HEA and the author said it didn’t. For me, the ending was exactly how it needed to be ~ the heroine doesn’t end up with any of the three guys who love her, instead she takes on a huge task where she knows she will be alone in life and that’s okay. She gave up love for the greater good of the world. For me, that’s a HEA because she stayed strong, kept to her morals, and did what she knew in her heart was right. If she’d left that behind to trot off with one of the guys, I would’ve been disappointed in her. Some might argue with me and that’s fine. We bring to a book or movie our past experiences, which means we all see or read the action in a slightly different way. My HEA might not be yours, but that’s not to say you’re right and I’m wrong. Hmmm, I got a little crazy in my comment here. I can’t wait to read the other posts this week!
Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Exactly. Other than Mystic River – all the other movies I mentioned had happy endings in other story lines that totally fit. I’m OK with that. But let the story play out to its natural end.
Melinda VanLone says:
This is so much fun! You’ll all find out my take tomorrow
August, what movie was that that turned SF on you halfway through?
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August McLaughlin says:
The cult movie is called “Sound of My Voice,” Melinda.
I agree with you, Lisa, on happy endings working when they fit the story. Tying stories up with pretty bows that don’t belong there, though, is one of my pet peeves.
I wonder if there’s a connection between being a pantser and wanting realistic endings—just judging from a handful of writers I know. Hmm…
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Hmmm – interesting theory. I think there may also be a correlation between those who consider themselves survivors of one ordeal/trauma or another.
Sara Davison says:
The problem might be in defining happy. Lisa, you say you want to see the main character face adversity and overcome it, and to me, that is a happy ending. If a person faces extreme challenges or suffering or loss and doesn’t overcome, then that would have to be the realistic ending you claim to want as, in real life, that happens more often than not (or we wouldn’t write stories or make movies about people that do overcome). That kind of realism, though, doesn’t produce the hope and joy that accompany the rare triumph. For me, it’s not happiness I’m looking for necessarily with the ending, and certainly it’s not a nice, neat, implausible wrapping up of all loose ends, but hope is essential.
Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Well – you’re definitely Team Marcy then. That’s what Marcy’s all about. I don’t mind a happy ending – if it fits. And I love a great story where the underdog succeeds and overcomes – but it has to be realistic. I know miracles happen and people win the lottery all the time – but to me, in fiction, it feels like cheating.
Debra Eve says:
I’m definitely on Team Lisa. I hate what I call the “Quentin Tarantino factor” — you’re watching a perfectly entertaining film, then something totally unrealistic happens at the end. Works for him, but not for too many others. And there’s no excuse in books, when you have more than two hours to set up an ending
Great post, Lisa. Will be fun to see the other responses!
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Woot! Team Realism Rocks.
Debra Kristi says:
What a great debate! And I don’t think it’s so easily answered with a one, two or three. Unless you are writing children’s books or romance where you are expected to give a happy ending. Like most scenes in a book I feel the ending needs to fit the story and can be a combination of these things. It can be realistic with a touch of hope. Maybe there is a splash of happy as far as a relationship goes and things are left open somewhere for our characters to move forward after the curtain closes. Does that make sense? I don’t believe an ending needs to be completely all one way or the other. That’s my take, anyway. But if I had to categorize my story endings, they probably wouldn’t fall into happy. Possibly hopeful, maybe open. I like to leave the reader with something.
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Marcy Kennedy says:
Sounds like you’re either on my team, Debra, or on Diane’s. We’ll have to see what you think once you read both our posts

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Steph says:
I would say I like a hopeful ending – especially in movies. And I must say, while I was reading this, I remembered a book whose last chapter made me sob. It had to end the way it did, and it was oddly cathartic. However, the author included an epilogue that tied things up in a nice neat bow. While it brought a sigh of relief, I felt kind of cheated. Even though it was a sci-fi book, I wanted catharsis more than a happy ending.
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Oooh – Steph. Careful. You sound like your teetering on the fence between realism and hopeful. What can I say to tip onto my side?
heather says:
me, i’m a hard-core Realistic girl. because good guys do finish last from time to time and life doesn’t always have a happy ending and loose ends aren’t always tied up and sometimes the princess doesn’t find her prince… or she does but he’s got issues. and frankly, i want to read stories that i can relate to, that i can learn from. it’s ok to cry and rage and grieve and hurt and heal and love and move on, because that’s what life is like. yup, i’m with you on this one, lisa. definitely Realistic.
Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Rock on! That’s awesome. We need more supporters.
Rebecca Enzor says:
I agree – while I love a happy ending, I prefer a realistic ending. I’ve found myself moving more and more towards the not so happy endings as I get older. I don’t want a sad, depressive ending either (although Mystic River was pretty depressing, but it was such a good movie), but I can take a tragedy if it feels true. Great post!
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Yes! That’s it exactly. You and Heather totally summed up my point.
Lynette M Burrows says:
Excellent post, Lisa. Great idea for a debate, too.
Open endings in a novel I’ve spent hours devouring drive me nuts! In reality we humans are an either-or sort. Most of us are pretty darn predictable.
Throwing in a HEA or a sudden appearance of a god/alien/machine that fixes everything at the end makes me nuts too. Definitely a cheat.
So, I guess I’m saying I prefer realistic endings. I want to understand why and how the characters ended up the way they ended up. I prefer books to end with a ray of hope or triumph of the soul, but I agree with you, Lisa. Writing realistic endings we give our readers permission to grieve, to cry, to shout, or to laugh out loud.
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
I think you might be Team Hopeful with Marcy. Make sure you check out her post on Wed.
Stacy Green says:
Great post. I have to say … while I like realistic endings, sometimes they break my heart. Seeing Frodo leave with Gandalf for the Gray Havens still makes me cry. But I don’t like things tied neatly into a bow. The Woman In Black comes to mind (if you haven’t seen it, watch. Dan Radcliffe is great and so is the movie). It sort of had to end the way it did. Anything else would have been anti-climatic.
Doesn’t mean I don’t get frustrated, though. But the ending needs to be true to the plot and the characters for me. I can’t stand it when it’s an obvious ending slapped on for reaction instead of following the heart of the movie or book.
Looking forward to the series:)
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Yeah – I don’t need a constant stream of sad movies – I crave realism. I don’t have to ‘like’ the ending to enjoy the movie. Who cheers when the bad guy wins? I’m not depraved – but I want a real depiction of life.
Emma Burcart says:
What a great debate! Such a cool idea. I’m excited to see where my kind of endings land among the four choices. I do not like the happliy ever after. It’s too cheesy for me. But, I also don’t like unnecessary death. I recently read a book by a bestselling author, and I hated the entire second half, and especially the ending. Basically the main character had a crappy life and then died. I wish they would have put that on the cover, because then I would have bought another book instead! What you said about The Last of the Mohicans really hit home. At the time I was mad that the hot guy had to die, but man did I feel for everyone when it happened. And, I did think about what I would do if I were Alice. It makes perfect sense now. I mean, how many years later, and I still remember that scene. It obviously had an impact. I just don’t like too much sadness or sadness for sadness sake. It’s actually why I don’t read Jodi Piccoult. I know they are real, deep issues, but I want some joy in my reading. I love learning a lesson, too, but I don’t want it to be: sad, sad, sad, and then dead. It’s just too much.
My perfect ending is when it’s not totally spelled out or tied up, but it’s moving in the direction of things going the way we want, and we get to assume how it will end. Like Diani Abu-Jaber’s Birds of Paradise. That was the perfect ending for me.
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
For sure read Marcy’s and Diane’s posts this week. I think they may find a happier middle point for you than realism or HEA. Last of the Mohicans makes me cry every time – but I love the story. I love to see how their characters change and grow. Uncas barely speaks at all – but you always know exactly what he’s thinking and feeling.
Eden Mabee says:
After stopping in first at Melinda’s post about Happily Ever After, I was torn–was I a Realism fan or an Open fan? Both? Neither?
I do love my characters; and I was depressed and horrified that Arwen did not feel she could go take a ship at the end of her epilogue in LotR or that Frodo could not find some measure of joy in life and maybe not recover what was lost but grow in new ways. The old you made your bed, now lay in it effect of Arwen’s fate and the wounded beyond repair fate of Frodo… Both left me desperate to write my own endings (I wrote my first (horrid fanfiction when I was twelve, complete with Mary Sues and all). The lack of satisfaction made me a writer.
But as to what team any of us should be on? That’s a matter of the story and the world and the timing of the author writing it…and the reader’s expectations. The better the story, the more honest the presentation? A good story is a good story.
So, yeah, leave me Open.
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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
Maybe you’re more Team Hopful with Marcy? She’s just posted hers – there’s a link above. Check it out. We’re just having a bit of fun – there’s no right or wrong answer just personal preference.
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Ingrid Schaffenburg says:
“But if it wasn’t, would we really understand the treasure to be had in joy and love? Without the bad, would we recognize the good when we saw it?”Love this and so true. I’d rather have reality so I can learn from it but I do enjoy the occasional fluff movie
Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
I enjoy a good no-thought-required movie too
Maybe I’ve taken too many English Lit classes where you’re searching for the deeper meaning in the stains in the wallpaper? lol I love movies that make me think, go deeper, have a lesson to teach. In my experience, I learn as much from failure as success – that’s part of why I don’t mind sad movies.
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Karen McFarland says:
I am a cup is half full girl, so I vote for a hopeful, if not happy ending. It is the purpose of reading/watching a great story to escape from our reality. We want to feel good at the end of our 12 hour journey. We root for our MC throughout many pages and we want to see him/her succeed. Even if it is in some small way. Those are books we read over and over again.

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Lisa Hall-Wilson says:
I’m beginning to see that as a crucial difference between my camp and the others. I don’t read or watch movies to escape (exclusively) I read to be entertained (and learn secondarily). That’s been a growing distinction in all the comments between the 4 of us.